selling rebuilt 304 motor

[jason]

i bought what was 2 be a 366 motor to find out it was a 304 international motor . i was told to go to this site to get info on the motor to sell it. The motor is a fresh rebuild there is right at 1,100 in this rebuild from the reciets that i was showed on the motor build if any one can give me info on what year this motor cam out or where to look need help to find more info on the year

[Allan E.]

i bought what was 2 be a 366 motor to find out it was a 304 international motor . i was told to go to this site to get info on the motor to sell it. The motor is a fresh rebuild there is right at 1,100 in this rebuild from the reciets that i was showed on the motor build if any one can give me info on what year this motor cam out or where to look need help to find more info on the year

There is a "for sale section."

It helps to put your location on the ad when you post it.

The 304 was used in scouts, pickups, travelalls, school busses, dump trucks, fire trucks, and all sorts of things for 25 years. It is an industrial grade engine, as you can see by the size. Not made for spinning up fast, but they last a long time for a 60s-80s carb'd engine.

It helps to know what kind of vehicle it was in and what all is not included. 1100 miles had to be in something. It doesn't matter, really, as long as it's a good engine, but the oil pans and oil pumps are different from the various vehicles, as are the engine mounts and other minor things, like carbs, distributor configuration, etc.

[jason]

I c so what do i do to find out on the make and year of the motor. A freind bought the motor not knowing that is a 3o4 he thought it was a 366. The motor i have is a fresh build there is 1,100 dolars worht of work done to it from turn crank up to the redone heads .thank you any info on this would be great to here becuase it going to 2 sit and ruin before i have a use for the motor and i would rather see some on find a use for it and have what they want

[Allan E.]

I c so what do i do to find out on the make and year of the motor. A freind bought the motor not knowing that is a 3o4 he thought it was a 366. The motor i have is a fresh build there is 1,100 dolars worht of work done to it from turn crank up to the redone heads .thank you any info on this would be great to here becuase it going to 2 sit and ruin before i have a use for the motor and i would rather see some on find a use for it and have what they want

It doesn't matter what the year of the motor is. If the crank had to be turned, chances are the engine needed a lot of work, because the 304 came from the factory with a steel crank, not cast iron like a small block chevy. Regardless, that's a hard, heavy duty engine..

A 304 international is a 304 international. They all interchange. They were made by International Harvester for use in International Harvester vehicles. They were used in Scouts, Pickups, Travelalls, and medium duty trucks.

On the right side of the engine, there is a raised pad, just above the fuel pump. It's about 3/8" tall and 2" long. It has the engine size and serial number on it. Post the number and somebody can probably figure out the year, but I'm telling you, if you want to sell the engine, "rebuilt 304 with 1100 miles on it" is all the information anybody needs. Whatever oil pan or distributor or whatever you have in it doesn't really change anything, because those get moved around all the time. I have a 304 in my 1960 fire truck which weighs 18,000 lbs. I also have one in a scout, and one in a pickup truck, and one in a travelall.

[P&L Black Smoke Customs]

how much do you want for it and where is it?

[Dana Strong]

Jason;
I would be more inclined to read your whole post rather than just glance at it if you would put more time into it and use better spelling and punctuation. Guess I'm just old-fashioned like my Scout.

[jason]

Im in West Plains Missouri. I spent $500.00 on the motor I would like what I paid for the motor back, or trade for a Well built chevy small block.I can take pictures of the motor if liked.Just let me know what else u need.

[jason]

Thank You for the Remark. I redone my ad thanks

[scout]

Jason;
I would be more inclined to read your whole post rather than just glance at it if you would put more time into it and use better spelling and punctuation. Guess I'm just old-fashioned like my Scout.


What is the point?

The title is 'selling a rebuilt 304 motor' and I had no problem following the content.

Being old fashioned myself I would have used the PM function if I found the posts too confusing ....

[Dana Strong]

The point is that this is a public forum, not a PM between friends, and using complete sentences with reasonable punctuation, and whole words rather than "u" makes it much clearer, much easier to read, much better to understand. Not using a bit of care or proof reading leads to errors like: "what was 2 be a 366 motor ". Did he mean a 266 or really mean a 366, which doesn't exist in the IH line? Is "2 be" that much shorter than "to be", and therefore 'necessary' for some unknown reason?
Communication depends on standard definitions and rules of grammar; without standards, speech has no definite meaning. Try enforcing a badly worded contract in court, and see how far you get.

[scout]

The point is that this is a public forum, not a PM between friends, and using complete sentences with reasonable punctuation, and whole words rather than "u" makes it much clearer, much easier to read, much better to understand. Not using a bit of care or proof reading leads to errors like: "what was 2 be a 366 motor ". Did he mean a 266 or really mean a 366, which doesn't exist in the IH line? Is "2 be" that much shorter than "to be", and therefore 'necessary' for some unknown reason?
Communication depends on standard definitions and rules of grammar; without standards, speech has no definite meaning. Try enforcing a badly worded contract in court, and see how far you get.
Let me try again.

Yes, you're right it's a public forum ( my point exactly) but on the other hand it's not a court document.


You've translated several things so apparently you understood it fairly well but didn't like the method. He made no bones about knowing very little about IH's and he came across as sincere in finding someone who could make use of a decent engine. He was just looking for advice.
Playing dumb when you understood the content just to point out faults with someone elses ability in public, right or wrong, is just plain rude.

He received a couple of very good responses so I'm assuming at least a few others managed to understand as well.

Again just being old fashioned, it would seem logical that if it was really that tough for you to understand a PM would have been a much better approach.


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[Dana Strong]

As you said, he came here looking for advice and I gave him a little, not in an antagonistic manner, but rather for it to be useful to both him and others reading it later.
His was not a highly exaggerated example of poor writing, but was clearly due to a lack of effort, not a lack of general understanding of the language as might be true of a foreigner. I have see posts which run a full paragraph, using what should be ten or fifteen sentences, using "its" for each of five or six subjects within the post, so that everything is mixed up. At what point does it begin to matter?
Do you think he was so thin-skinned that a little good advice drove him away; have you never been told you were doing something all wrong, or are you part of the modern generation which believes that 'feelings' are more important than learning things right? Would you mind if that policy were applied to the next doctor who worked on your body, or even just the next government official who has to inspect something of yours to determine whether it complies with the law? I think not.

I repeat; shortcuts and sloppy grammar and spelling may be fine for PM's between friends, but are not appropriate on a forum like this one. You are asking for the time and effort of those you want to respond; it's only reasonable that a little time and energy be put into your own request.

[scout]

As you said, he came here looking for advice and I gave him a little, not in an antagonistic manner, but rather for it to be useful to both him and others reading it later.
His was not a highly exaggerated example of poor writing, but was clearly due to a lack of effort, not a lack of general understanding of the language as might be true of a foreigner. I have see posts which run a full paragraph, using what should be ten or fifteen sentences, using "its" for each of five or six subjects within the post, so that everything is mixed up. At what point does it begin to matter?
Do you think he was so thin-skinned that a little good advice drove him away; have you never been told you were doing something all wrong, or are you part of the modern generation which believes that 'feelings' are more important than learning things right? Would you mind if that policy were applied to the next doctor who worked on your body, or even just the next government official who has to inspect something of yours to determine whether it complies with the law? I think not.

I repeat; shortcuts and sloppy grammar and spelling may be fine for PM's between friends, but are not appropriate on a forum like this one. You are asking for the time and effort of those you want to respond; it's only reasonable that a little time and energy be put into your own request.Point taken but if there's a certain level of writing ability required in order to post here then it should be stated in the conditions.

Just to be clear my opinion has nothing to do with feelings, thin skin or good advice. It has to do with common courtesy.

There's really nothing gained by bringing attention to the quality of anyones post publicly. More respect is gained when someone pulls another aside to point out flaws or mistakes over others who chose to make comments in front of peers so the reason I mentioned a PM was for privacy, not to incourage short types.

All I'm saying is try to think about it the next time because just assuming someone must be lazy without looking into it a little more doesn't help anyone.

[Allan E.]

Point taken but if there's a certain level of writing ability required in order to post here then it should be stated in the conditions.



As near as I can tell, no such requirement exists. There's no requirement to speak English in many business establishments, either, but it makes it really hard to do business. It doesn't matter if you can't, or won't, or simply don't bother, does it? It all comes out the same.

Dana simply was pointing out that there was no information about where, who, or how this transaction might be accomplished. It caused Jason to fix his ad. Didn't see any gross insults or anything over it. When you have a loose public forum like this, the community develops customs. Binderbulletin has new owners, and those customs have not yet developed. I think Dana handled it well.

[scout]

Jason;
I would be more inclined to read your whole post rather than just glance at it if you would put more time into it and use better spelling and punctuation. Guess I'm just old-fashioned like my Scout. Where's the request for more information in this post?


I'm not sure whats missing or what the original content was but this is what I read and it comes across as a the worlds shortest lecture.

I don't see the context you describe, Allan.



FWIW I saw no gross insult either and I don't believe I accused Dana of that. If I did, I apologize, but little posts like that are very annoying to come across. Probably as annoying to me as Jasons was to him.

[P&L Black Smoke Customs]

I agree with Scout on this. This is a "Public Forum" and we are all gathered here as friends for a common denominator. Later, Paul

[Allan E.]

Where's the request for more information in this post?

I'm not sure whats missing or what the original content was but this is what I read and it comes across as a the worlds shortest lecture.

I don't see the context you describe, Allan.

FWIW I saw no gross insult either and I don't believe I accused Dana of that. If I did, I apologize, but little posts like that are very annoying to come across. Probably as annoying to me as Jasons was to him.


Go back and read the first post. I replied and gave him the information he needed and suggested he place an ad. He then asked again what year was the engine, as if anybody could tell from his post. I told him more forcefully that it didn't matter what year was the engine, but he still needed to provide relevant details.

Then he fixed the ad and said thanks for the suggestions on how to fix the ad. Maybe you read the ad after he fixed it rather than before?

How about the next guy. Are you going to be the moderator who is in charge of PMs to give out this information? Should everybody do it?

After the board has been here for a while, there may be an FAQ section, and an advanced search funtion. At this point, I don't see a whole lot of evidence that anybody is moderating the board more than once a week. The site is fairly new. Not that many posts, not that much history.

The customs that develop on a site like this, in the mean time, are also a function of PUBLIC discussion. PMs don't create an environment where the community can get together and hash these things out. People get familiar with each other, and CUSTOMS develop. Some develop into rules, and some remain customs. There was another site with this name for more than a decade. The same thing happened there. It took time.

Perhaps it's time you should become a moderator in here and help folks like Jason find their way so that we won't have this type of disagreement in the future. It's probably not up to a vote, but I'd vote for you if it were.

[Dana Strong]

FWIW I saw no gross insult either and I don't believe I accused Dana of that. If I did, I apologize, but little posts like that are very annoying to come across. Probably as annoying to me as Jasons was to him.
Believe it or not, I wasn't annoyed by the OP and would not have made my comment if I hadn't thought him capable of better writing which would benefit both him and the site.

I'm not sure whats missing or what the original content was but this is what I read and it comes across as a the worlds shortest lecture.You are correct, nothing is missing from mine. Notice that I didn't tell him what was allowed or even acceptable on the site; I just briefly mentioned how it affected me. I didn't spell out in great detail that when I or my eyes are tired, I don't take the time or trouble to decipher difficult to read posts. I didn't call him names, didn't question his ability or motives, didn't point the errors or omissions out in detail, because I give him credit for being able to think about what he should put in a request in order to get the results he wants. I wouldn't have bothered if I didn't think it would be useful; if I wanted to make enemies, there are easier ways and better subjects to do that with.

People who have grown up with computers and all the related hardware have gotten used to all the shortcuts, but often haven't been made aware of the deficiencies that go with their use. Also, modern schools don't seem to teach English well, and some teachers don't understand even the watered-down grammar which the newer books contain. I don't blame their students for not being taught well and then not knowing. Nor am I against using shortcuts when it is appropriate. On a site like this, the subjects are usually somewhat technical, meaning the details are very important. Shortcuts result in these important details being lost or ignored.

I realize that people are all different, all have different values and goals, different abilities and histories. I know people who lived through the depression and who never had a chance to learn to read or write, I know others on another site whose first language is French but who post in English and occasionally make errors which need editing to make the message understandable. They do their best, and usually get their ideas across even without help, but don't mind getting help when it's needed. I hope Jason took my comment as intended, but again let me restate what I said earlier: I posted my first response for the benefit of others reading this thread too. A PM would not have served that purpose.

FWIW, I do moderate another site so have first-hand knowledge of inter-member rivalries, the hijacking of threads, the misuse of power, the misunderstandings that sloppy messages can result in, and also I see the understanding, the respect and willingness to help others which develops when we work towards a common purpose.
If I were telling a member who was new to mechanics that removing something with a hammer would likely cause damage he would later regret, that would be acceptable. Why does making a small comment about how to communicate these ideas bring such greater notice or concern?
We all learn by being shown how, or being corrected and reminded.

[I started this earlier in the afternoon but put off sending it because the editing functions were not (and still aren't) working. I finally edited it manually.]

[scout]

Go back and read the first post. I replied and gave him the information he needed and suggested he place an ad. He then asked again what year was the engine, as if anybody could tell from his post. I told him more forcefully that it didn't matter what year was the engine, but he still needed to provide relevant details.

Then he fixed the ad and said thanks for the suggestions on how to fix the ad. Maybe you read the ad after he fixed it rather than before?

How about the next guy. Are you going to be the moderator who is in charge of PMs to give out this information? Should everybody do it?

After the board has been here for a while, there may be an FAQ section, and an advanced search funtion. At this point, I don't see a whole lot of evidence that anybody is moderating the board more than once a week. The site is fairly new. Not that many posts, not that much history.

The customs that develop on a site like this, in the mean time, are also a function of PUBLIC discussion. PMs don't create an environment where the community can get together and hash these things out. People get familiar with each other, and CUSTOMS develop. Some develop into rules, and some remain customs. There was another site with this name for more than a decade. The same thing happened there. It took time.

Perhaps it's time you should become a moderator in here and help folks like Jason find their way so that we won't have this type of disagreement in the future. It's probably not up to a vote, but I'd vote for you if it were.

Maybe it's time for a custom and yes I read it after any changes apparently.
Your post read as respectful and helpful. Dana's pops out as not so.

I'm not sure why this is getting to the point it has but I do not have interest in monitoring or question the ability of anyone who happens to be doing it and fully understand the difficulty of that job..

Another thing needs to be clearly understood right now.......I do not feel that I could do anything better. My intent has nothing to do with how this site is run. Your taking it to a level of a short comment on basic common courtesy, or lack there of, to another lecture on site operations and customs.

My comments have made no accusation about the site, complaints about moderators or anything of the like so lets keep that straight.

I have not, and have no interest in whining to the powers to be either.

I really don't care if a thousand more questioning comments on anothers posting abilities appears here.

DANA made a short comment about a post he had a problem with.


I did the same.

Here we are.

I'll do it again.



Taking this to the level that you seem to be saying I must think I know better than everyone else and that monitoring PMs is what I might expect should be done is so far off from the simple point I've unsuccessfully tried to make I don't know what to say to you anymore.

I'll respond one final time to Dana and then I'm not going to waste anymore effort on a lost cause.

[scout]

Believe it or not, I wasn't annoyed by the OP and would not have made my comment if I hadn't thought him capable of better writing which would benefit both him and the site.
You are correct, nothing is missing from mine. Notice that I didn't tell him what was allowed or even acceptable on the site; I just briefly mentioned how it affected me. I didn't spell out in great detail that when I or my eyes are tired, I don't take the time or trouble to decipher difficult to read posts. I didn't call him names, didn't question his ability or motives, didn't point the errors or omissions out in detail, because I give him credit for being able to think about what he should put in a request in order to get the results he wants. I wouldn't have bothered if I didn't think it would be useful; if I wanted to make enemies, there are easier ways and better subjects to do that with.

People who have grown up with computers and all the related hardware have gotten used to all the shortcuts, but often haven't been made aware of the deficiencies that go with their use. Also, modern schools don't seem to teach English well, and some teachers don't understand even the watered-down grammar which the newer books contain. I don't blame their students for not being taught well and then not knowing. Nor am I against using shortcuts when it is appropriate. On a site like this, the subjects are usually somewhat technical, meaning the details are very important. Shortcuts result in these important details being lost or ignored.

I realize that people are all different, all have different values and goals, different abilities and histories. I know people who lived through the depression and who never had a chance to learn to read or write, I know others on another site whose first language is French but who post in English and occasionally make errors which need editing to make the message understandable. They do their best, and usually get their ideas across even without help, but don't mind getting help when it's needed. I hope Jason took my comment as intended, but again let me restate what I said earlier: I posted my first response for the benefit of others reading this thread too. A PM would not have served that purpose.

FWIW, I do moderate another site so have first-hand knowledge of inter-member rivalries, the hijacking of threads, the misuse of power, the misunderstandings that sloppy messages can result in, and also I see the understanding, the respect and willingness to help others which develops when we work towards a common purpose.
If I were telling a member who was new to mechanics that removing something with a hammer would likely cause damage he would later regret, that would be acceptable. Why does making a small comment about how to communicate these ideas bring such greater notice or concern?
We all learn by being shown how, or being corrected and reminded.

[I started this earlier in the afternoon but put off sending it because the editing functions were not (and still aren't) working. I finally edited it manually.]
Dana,

I really have no problem with your intent. I know your post was meant to be helpful.

I'm very suprised this has gone on so long and with concern that this may go to a level that it was not intended to, I'll try to get you to understand my position one last time, then I'm through.

My wife and I are always getting praise from strangers on the polite manners our two young boys have. We've accomplished that because there have been times when well intentioned, polite yet uncalled for comments from the boys were addressed.

Below is an similar example of what I've said to the boys when comments were made that shouldn't have been, no matter how true or polite they meant it to be.


An overweight guys gets on a bus, sits on the only seat left next to another passenger and crowds them a bit.

The driver decides to be helpful and says in front of all the other passengers. " Sir, excuse me. We welcome you but your a bit on the large side and your making it rough for the other passengers. I'd be more inclined to welcome you again if you'd take the time and effort to diet. It's not that hard and it would make it a lot easier on the others .'


The driver's honest, helpful and accurate.
The question is .....

Does he still have a job the next day?

My 10 yr old got it.

[Dana Strong]

One significant difference between your example and my comment is that the overweight fellow can not immediately control his size, only where or if he sits, so the driver's quip serves no purpose whereas the OP could both edit his previous comments or put more time into making his next ones better. Flowery advise is often not even noticed, let alone considered, whereas a plain, simple, direct statement has a better chance. I can't see a reason to write something I don't think will even be read. Life can be hard but the challenges, not the easy times, are what make most of us better.
You seem to me to be just overly sensitive. Because you don't address the arguments I post, I also see no point in covering the subject further.

[scout]

You seem to me to be just overly sensitive. Because you don't address the arguments I post, I also see no point in covering the subject further.

Yes, we agree on one thing at least.


Just to be clear I have fairly thick skin so I really have no problem with you suggesting I'm too sensitive. It gave me a good chuckle.



Enjoy and
take care.

[Dana Strong]

Just to be clear I have fairly thick skin so I really have no problem with you suggesting I'm too sensitive. It gave me a good chuckle
I was taught is should be "your suggesting":D:D


My best friend's father used to always say "Don't go away mad" and since neither of us is mad, and neither is going away, I guess we're fully complying.

FWIW, I am thin-skinned--but only when it comes to temperature!

[scout]

I was taught is should be "your suggesting":D:D


My best friend's father used to always say "Don't go away mad" and since neither of us is mad, and neither is going away, I guess we're fully complying.

FWIW, I am thin-skinned--but only when it comes to temperature!
Your friend's dad was right and I'm not mad at all but geeze, now I'm a little disappointed.


There's tons of my mess-ups, then you mess up on an easy one pointing out my poor skills. Come on now...You did that on purpose, right?.....I know you can do better than that. :D

BTW, thanks for NOT pointing out more of my skill issues.

[Dana Strong]

I never suggested we had to be perfect, just that we ought to try.

[P&L Black Smoke Customs]

Would it be possible for you two to PM each other about this item. Thanks, Paul

[jason]

I Apologize

[IHC-75-doug]

i bought what was 2 be a 366 motor to find out it was a 304 international motor . i was told to go to this site to get info on the motor to sell it. The motor is a fresh rebuild there is right at 1,100 in this rebuild from the reciets that i was showed on the motor build if any one can give me info on what year this motor cam out or where to look need help to find more info on the year

HI, i am doug crabb and wonder where you are and if I could find out more about this 304 engine? Do you have a price for it now? Thanks for all,

[timscout1]

This has become the "perfect" example of a HIJACKED thread by two members PEEEEEing on each others feet. Lets go back to the engine!??

[Allan E.]

This thread was dormant for almost 3 years before it was ressurected this week...

It really helps to look at the post dates.